Friday, March 23, 2012

What happens to people who have never heard the gospel?

What happens to people who have never heard the gospel?

I have a question regarding salvation. What do you believe happens to people who never get to hear the word of God, such as in remote places of the world? Also, what about people of other faiths that are not Christian but were brought up that way. If they were good people while here will they go to hell for choosing ot believe another religion? Does the Bible make any mention to this?
My response is in Green:
This question comes up often. We need to look at several things. First there is no doubt that no one gets to heaven without going through Jesus Christ as He stated:
(John 14:6 NIV) Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
But we need to understand exactly what Jesus meant by that statement. Most people will say that unless a person knows Jesus Christ they cannot get to heaven. I am not sure that is 'exactly' what Jesus meant and I will try to show you why I say that.
To understand this point we must go back to the Old Testament. The question is this, how did the Old Testament people get to heaven? It could not have been that they knew Jesus, because He had not yet come to earth as a human being for them to know. So how were they saved? Many people would say they were saved by following the Law, until Jesus came and then everything changed. But is that what the Bible says? Let's look:
(Romans 3:28 NIV) For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.
(Hebrews 11:4-19 NIV) [4] By faith Abel offered God a better sacrifice than Cain did. By faith he was commended as a righteous man, when God spoke well of his offerings. And by faith he still speaks, even though he is dead.
[5] By faith Enoch was taken from this life, so that he did not experience death; he could not be found, because God had taken him away. For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. [6] And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
[7] By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.
[8] By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going. [9] By faith he made his home in the promised land like a stranger in a foreign country; he lived in tents, as did Isaac and Jacob, who were heirs with him of the same promise. [10] For he was looking forward to the city with foundations, whose architect and builder is God.
[11] By faith Abraham, even though he was past age-and Sarah herself was barren-was enabled to become a father because he considered him faithful who had made the promise. [12] And so from this one man, and he as good as dead, came descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as countless as the sand on the seashore.
[13] All these people were still living by faith when they died. They did not receive the things promised; they only saw them and welcomed them from a distance. And they admitted that they were aliens and strangers on earth. [14] People who say such things show that they are looking for a country of their own. [15] If they had been thinking of the country they had left, they would have had opportunity to return. [16] Instead, they were longing for a better country-a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.
[17] By faith Abraham, when God tested him, offered Isaac as a sacrifice. He who had received the promises was about to sacrifice his one and only son, [18] even though God had said to him, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." [19] Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death.
We today realize that we are not saved by following the Law, but rather we are saved by faith. Well the Old Testament Saints were saved by faith also. Our faith is in Jesus Christ, but their faith was in God. Faith that He would provide a Redeemer to take away their sins. Look at this quote from Job:
(Job 19:25-27 NIV) [25] I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand upon the earth.
[26] And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God;
[27] I myself will see him with my own eyes—I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me!
Job had faith that his Redeemer existed and that He would one day stand upon the earth. In other words he had faith that God would send His perfect lamb to die for Job's sins. Even though these people did not know what Jesus' name was or was going to be, they still had faith and trusted God to redeem them. So they were saved just like we are today, by faith, not by works. Now the Law did have something to do with their salvation, but not in the way most people think. The people were attesting to their faith by following the Law that God commanded them to follow. If they had refused to follow the Law then they would have been saying they no longer had faith in God and no longer believed He would deliver them. I believe that is still true today. When a person goes back into sin and does not follow Christ they are in effect saying they no longer have faith in Him. But that is a different discussion.
That brings us back to today. We who have heard the gospel must either come to Christ or we are forever lost. But what about those who have never heard the gospel? Is there a way for them to be saved without knowing who Jesus is? We have already established that there was a way in the past, by following God and believing Him. But does that mean anything today?
First we must look at the question of whether a person can know God without hearing about Him from someone else:
(Romans 1:20 NIV) For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
We see that no one has an excuse. Now if no one has an excuse but yet not everyone has heard of Jesus Christ that would make me think that there is a way to do what the people in the Old Testament did, believe in God and serve Him, even without knowing who Jesus is. But we must look further.
(Romans 10:14-15 NIV) [14] How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? [15] And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"
Now this passage would seem to say that people can't believe unless they have heard. It is in the very same letter to the Romans as the first passage I quoted. Is Paul having trouble figuring out which is true? No, the problem is our understanding of what is being said. We need to keep digging.
Paul goes on to quote from the Old Testament:
(Romans 15:21 NIV) Rather, as it is written: "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand."
Many people also try to claim that God had no salvation plan for anyone in the Old Testament other than the Israelites, but that is not true either. The whole story of Jonah was about God sending him to preach to Nineveh. Why didn't Jonah want to go preach to them?
(Jonah 4:1-3 NIV) [1] But Jonah was greatly displeased and became angry. [2] He prayed to the LORD, "O LORD, is this not what I said when I was still at home? That is why I was so quick to flee to Tarshish. I knew that you are a gracious and compassionate God, slow to anger and abounding in love, a God who relents from sending calamity. [3] Now, O LORD, take away my life, for it is better for me to die than to live."
He didn't want to preach to them because he knew God would forgive them if they repented. What kind of message did Jonah preach to them finally?
(Jonah 3:4-5 (NIV) [4] On the first day, Jonah started into the city. He proclaimed: "Forty more days and Nineveh will be overturned." [5] The Ninevites believed God. They declared a fast, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.
He didn't preach a message of repentance, he just told them they were going to die, yet they "believed God" and repented. What did God do? He did not destroy them. My point is that Jonah did not give them the Law, he did not tell them what they could do to be saved, he just preached that God was going to destroy them. He did not even tell them there was a God, other than in saying that Nineveh would be destroyed.
You might be asking, what does any of that have to do with people today? Well I believe that God is still sending His message around the world. Maybe not in physical form like Jonah, but in a way that the people understand. That brings up a very good book on the subject; Eternity in Their Hearts by Don Richardson. In the book the author tells the stories of many different peoples who have had God's witness. I can't remember specifics off the top of my head, but I can give you a couple of examples.
A missionary visited a tribe up in the mountains of a remote region of Asia near India. The missionary was a white man and the tribes people were dark brown. They had been isolated and had never seen a white man before. The missionary hired another native from a surrounding village to lead him to this tribe. When he arrived the villagers got very excited. When he asked the guide to tell him what was happening he was told that they wanted to know if he was the one who was going to give them "the Book?" He asked what book they were talking about and he heard a story that gave him goose bumps.
The villagers had handed down from generation to generation the legend that one day a white man (remember they had never seen a white man before) would come and give them a book which would tell them how to be reconciled to God. Now they had another name for God, which I can't remember right now, but their legend said that they used to know God, but had become separated from Him and needed someone to help them gain that relationship back again. For generations they had had faith that one day God would send a white man to them with a book that would explain what they had to do to be reconciled with God. Of course the missionary showed them the Bible and taught them about Jesus Christ.
Now here is the question. What happened to those who died before this missionary arrived to give them the gospel? Remember how the Old Testament Saints were saved; by having faith in God to send a redeemer to reconcile them to Him. Isn't that what these people had faith in too, even if it was stated a little differently?
The book has many stories of isolated tribes of people who had legends pertaining to God, and which they followed generation after generation. Now I am not trying to say or teach that there are multiple ways to God, there is only One way and that is through Jesus Christ who died for our sins. However, I am saying that I believe that God is merciful and just and compassionate and will judge people on what they do know and not what they don't or can't know.
I have tried to show that the Old Testament Saints were saved by faith in God, even though they did not know who Jesus Christ was and had not heard the gospel as we know it. And I believe that model shows that people can trust God and place their faith in Him, even if they have not heard the gospel. But how does that square with this statement from Jesus?
(John 14:6 NIV) Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
As I said I believe that verse too. Let's look at the Temple in Jesus' day. There was a section called the Holy of Holies. This was where the ark of the covenant was and on the ark was the mercy seat where God's glory rested. This area was off limits to everyone except the High Priest and he could only go into it once a year with a sacrifice. No one else was allowed into the presence of God.
Now look at what happened at Jesus' death:
(Matthew 27:50-51 NIV) [50] And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
[51] At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split.
The curtain that had kept everyone out was split from top to bottom, thereby opening up to everyone the presence of God. But that is not all that happened:
(Ephesians 4:8 NIV) This is why it says: "When he ascended on high, he led captives in his train and gave gifts to men."
Who were these captives and where were they? We need to look at some other things that Jesus said.
(Luke 23:43 NIV) Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
This is what Jesus said to the thief on the cross. But where is paradise or I should say; where was paradise. Again we can look at what Jesus said:
(Luke 16:19-31 NIV) [19] "There was a rich man who was dressed in purple and fine linen and lived in luxury every day. [20] At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus, covered with sores [21] and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table. Even the dogs came and licked his sores.
[22] "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. [23] In hell, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. [24] So he called to him, 'Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
[25] "But Abraham replied, 'Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. [26] And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
[27] "He answered, 'Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my father's house, [28] for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.'
[29] "Abraham replied, 'They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.'
[30] "'No, father Abraham,' he said, 'but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.'
[31] "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"
Now we know from extra-biblical Jewish writings, such as the Talmud, that the Jews believed that Hades had two compartments. One compartment was hell, where the unsaved went to await judgment. The second compartment was called both Abraham's bosom and paradise.
Now why would believers not go to heaven when they died? Why would they go to paradise? Because their sins had not yet been paid for. They were captives waiting for their redeemer to set them free. Going to heaven would have meant going into the presence of God and as we showed with the Holy of Holies no one was allowed to do that. But when Jesus paid for our sins, He opened the way to the presence of God. So the curtain was torn and He took those who were waiting in paradise to heaven to be with the Father.
So all those Old Testament Saints who had never heard of Jesus were taken to heaven and into God's presence through and by Jesus. Just as Jesus said, no one could come to the Father except through Him. So now we go back to the present. Since Jesus is the one who opened the way to God the Father, if God offers salvation to someone who has not heard the gospel because they placed their faith in Him, even though they did not understand the whole gospel, wouldn't it still be true that they got to the Father through Jesus Christ who opened the way? I believe that to be true.
That also brings me to the idea of those who are mentally ill or who are aborted as unborn babies, etc... They too have no way of hearing the gospel or understanding it, yet I believe that God is merciful and loving to them and will only judge them for what they do know not what they don't know. Now I will be the first one to say that with God anything is possible, so it is possible that God knows what decision they would have made if they had heard the gospel. I believe that is true of those in isolated countries who have never heard the gospel too. However, I think that if God did allow those who were mentally ill or killed before they reached the age of reason into heaven it would still be through the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ.
I don't claim to have all the answers, nor do I claim to speak for God, but I do think I understand His nature because He has showed it to us in His word. Therefore I believe my view is consistent with His nature and with Scripture. No matter what, I know that God is fair and loving to His creation.



Are You a Victim or Victor?

Are You a Victim or Victor?
March 8, 2012

Are you a victim or a victor? Are you going to let the injustices and mess ups of the past keep you in bondage to the “victim mentality?” If you can get this and see it for what it is, it will set you free and it will change your life. The victim mentality is our worse enemy.

VICTIM
http://www.thefreedictionary.com by Farlex

1. One who is harmed or killed by another: a victim of a mugging.
2. One who is harmed by or made to suffer from an act, circumstance, agency, or condition: victims of war.
3. A person who suffers injury, loss, or death as a result of a voluntary undertaking: You are a victim of your own scheming.
4. A person who is tricked, swindled, or taken advantage of: the victim of a cruel hoax.
5. A victim of racism and prejudgment or prejudism.

We are many people of different nationalities here in this country and many of our parents were victims of “injustice” through racism and prejudism, or through abuse, etc., but we don't have to stay in that condition forever. Jesus came to set us free of from all these things.

When we hold on to these “injustices” it keeps us from hearing the Holy Spirit telling us what we must do to overcome that. We are so into the victim mentality that we don't realize we are slaves to it.

The word of God says that the truth will set us free, so lets see what this means.

John 8:31- 36 NKJV Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." 33 They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can you say, 'You will be made free'?" 34 Jesus answered them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. 35 And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. 36 Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed. 37

So those who blame others for the wrong they do are victims of sin. The don't realize that they are in rebellion and disobedience. Listen to a person who always makes excuses for the wrong they do. It is always someone else's fault. The enemy has blinded them to those things that are keeping them from being successful and overcomers in their lives.

John 8:32 BBE
Bible in Basic English
And you will have knowledge of what is true, and that will make you free.

Luke 4:17-19 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written: 18 "The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me, Because He has anointed Me To preach the gospel to the poor; He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, To proclaim liberty to the captives And recovery of sight to the blind, To set at liberty those who are oppressed; 19 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."

Luke 4:18 ESV
English Standard Version
"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed,

We are to minister “freedom” to the captives, victims of past injustices so they can be set free and began to live as “victors”.

The Race Card

The race card is a crutch to those with a “victim mentality”. It makes us blame it on “racism” for the bad things that we do when we get caught and it keeps us in bondage.

I myself refuse to be a victim, so I don't talk about the injustices of racism from the past. “I am not a victim I am a victor.”

What does the victim mentality look like?

  1. The victim mentality keeps us in a state of victimization mode
  2. It makes us blame every body else for our "mess ups. "it's always somebody elses fault";
  3. So we never change.
  4. Why change when it is somebody else's fault?
  5. We walk around with a defeated look.
  6. It's like having the word "DEFEATED" written on our forehead.
  7. We walk around with our heads down & our shoulders hunched over, that defeated look.

Philippians 3 (New King James Version)

13 Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, 14 I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus. 15 Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. 16 Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by

the same rule, let us be of the same mind. 17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern.

This is such a strong word: leaving those things that are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead. We are to press towards the goal in our lives. We are to run the race and win.

VICTOR

http://www.thefreedictionary.com by Farlex
One who defeats an adversary; the winner in a fight, battle, contest, or struggle.
victor

1 Corinthians 9:24
[ Striving for a Crown ] Do you not know that those who run in a race all run, but one receives the prize? Run in such a way that you may obtain it.
1 Corinthians 9:23-25 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 9 (Whole Chapter)
2 Timothy 4:7
I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith.
2 Timothy 4:6-8 (in Context) 2 Timothy 4 (Whole Chapter)
Hebrews 12:1
[ The Race of Faith ] Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us,
Hebrews 12:1-3 (in Context) Hebrews 12 (Whole Chapter)
Acts 20:24 NKJV
But none of these things move me; nor do I count my life dear to myself, so that I may finish my race with joy, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.

Okay we mess up, but we don't have to stay "messed Up". We get up, shake ourselves, repent, and get counseling, healing and deliverance and move on to a victorious life.

Every one of us is responsible for our actions in life. Once we become Adults it's up to us to do what we have to do to succeed in life so that we can represent the Lord Well. We are to be good examples in life. If we dwell on the past it means we haven't forgiven.

To Forgive & forget means that we won't dwell on the wrong done to us and we can go forth with our lives.

Let's leave the past injustices and sins behind so that we and our family can live happy lives and be victorious in life.

By Mary L. Cossins

Wednesday, March 21, 2012

WHEN ALL MEANS FAIL - David Wilkerson (Apr 27).

DAVID WILKERSON'​s FINAL WORD

ANDREW STROM:  I got home from Papua New Guinea last night
to find that it was true what I had heard - that David Wilkerson had
been killed in a car crash and gone home to be with the Lord. Truly
a great man of God who will be sorely missed on this earth. One
of the few voices for Truth and Righteousness that had a global
reach in the modern church. We will miss you, David.  Below is
his final Devotional that he sent out just before his death at age 79-

WHEN ALL MEANS FAIL-David Wilkerson (Apr 27).

To believe when all means fail is exceedingly pleasing to God and
is most acceptable. Jesus said to Thomas, “You have believed
because you have seen, but blessed are those that do believe
and have not seen” (John 20:29).
Blessed are those who believe when there is no evidence of an
answer to prayer—who trust beyond hope when all means have failed.
Someone has come to the place of hopelessness—the end of
hope—the end of all means. A loved one is facing death and
doctors give no hope. Death seems inevitable. Hope is gone. The
miracle prayed for is not happening.
That is when Satan’s hordes come to attack your mind with fear,
anger, overwhelming questions: “Where is your God now? You
prayed until you had no tears left. You fasted. You stood on
promises. You trusted.”
Blasphemous thoughts will be injected into your mind: “Prayer failed.
Faith failed. Don’t quit on God—just do not trust him anymore. It
doesn’t pay!”
Even questioning God’s existence will be injected into your mind.
These have been the devices of Satan for centuries. Some of the
godliest men and women who ever lived were under such demonic
attacks.
To those going through the valley and shadow of death, hear this
word: Weeping will last through some dark, awful nights—and in
that darkness you will soon hear the Father whisper, “I am with
you. I cannot tell you why right now, but one day it will all make
sense. You will see it was all part of my plan. It was no accident.
It was no failure on your part. Hold fast. Let me embrace you in
your hour of pain.”
Beloved, God has never failed to act but in goodness and love.
When all means fail—his love prevails. Hold fast to your faith.
Stand fast in his Word. There is no other hope in this world.
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GOD’s POWERFUL ARMY

GOD’s POWERFUL ARMY
-by David Wilkerson.

Something very powerful and awesome is going on in the world today
—something beyond human comprehension—something that will
affect the whole world in these last days.
God is preparing a small but powerful army of Christians, the most
dedicated army on the face of the earth. The Lord will come forth to
command them to do exploits; He is going to close out the ages
with a pure, devoted, fearless remnant.
All my life I have heard stories about our godly forefathers who
hated sin. These men and women knew God’s voice and spent
hours, even days, in fasting and prayer. They prayed unceasingly
and had the power and ability to successfully stand up against
immorality in their day.
These forefathers have long since passed on. But God is in the
process of raising up another army and this time His warriors will
not be made up only of elderly, gray-haired fathers and mothers of
Zion. This new army will be composed of both new and seasoned
believers, both young and old, ordinary Christians who lay hold of
God! A whole new realm of ministry is about to come forth!
The denominational church system appears to be in the throes of
death. It has almost no influence in the secular world, no mighty
power in Christ. Some accuse me of being “hard” on pastors. But I
am in touch with many godly pastors who grieve as I do over the
backsliding in the ministry today. There is a holy remnant of godly
pastors in the land, and I thank God for every one of them. Yet, it
is still a fact that more and more ministers are racing down the
road of compromise.
The Bible warns that we are not to fret! God has a plan and it is
being manifested. It is put forth plainly in Scripture, mostly in the
first four chapters of First Samuel.
The prophet Samuel is a type of God’s last-days remnant. The
Lord chose him amid the worst of times and hid him away in
training until it was time to bring forth His new thing. God told
Samuel, “Behold, I will do something in Israel at which both ears
of everyone who hears it will tingle” (1 Samuel 3:11). What would
so amaze and startle all who heard it? It was the judgment of God
on the backslidden religious system and the raising up, training
and anointing of a new, holy remnant!
What God did in Samuel’s day, He does in every generation.
Indeed, in every generation there has been a remnant, a praying
people after His own heart.
BIRTH OF the LAST-DAYS REMNANT
The prophet Samuel is a type of the last-days holy remnant—a
prepared body of believers that rises out of the ruins of the old,
decadent church.
Hannah, Samuel’s mother, birthed her son through bitter tears and
much prayer. “And she was in bitterness of soul, and prayed to the
Lord and wept in anguish” (1 Samuel 1:10).
Try to imagine the scene: Hannah was at the temple every day, on
her knees before the altar, crushed and broken because she was
childless. As she wept, her adversary—her husband’s other wife—
made fun of her. “And her rival also provoked her severely, to make
her miserable, because the Lord had closed her womb” (1 Samuel 1:6).
There are three important things I want to point out from this passage:
   * First, the remnant that Samuel represents is born in grief and
intercession.
   * Second, those who pray and grieve after God’s heart will be
provoked by adversaries.
   * And third, God’s remnant is always going to be misunderstood!
Note what happened to Hannah as she prayed: “And it happened,
as she continued praying before the Lord, that Eli watched her
mouth. Now Hannah spoke in her heart; only her lips moved, but
her voice was not heard. Therefore Eli thought she was drunk. So
Eli said to her, ‘How long will you be drunk? Put your wine away
from you!’” (1 Samuel 1:12-14). Eli and his sons represent the
dying, corrupt church that has forsaken the Lord’s way. Eli was so
out of touch—so dead in his spirit—he thought Hannah was drunk!
When Hannah was praying, she was filled with grief, burdened for
the birth of a son. All she could do was move her lips because of
her groaning in the Spirit. She prayed, “If You will indeed look on
the affliction of Your maidservant and remember me, and . . . will
give Your maidservant a male child, then I will give him to the Lord
all the days of his life” (1 Samuel 1:11).
Here are two distinguishing marks of God’s holy remnant:
   * They pray like Hannah. Their burden is deep and their heart is
stirred because of the wickedness in God’s house.
   * Like Hannah, they give themselves to prayer every day of their lives.
God wants to make you like that. He wants you to be able to touch
Him and hear from Him. He wants to give you a ministry to others
who will come to you with their burdens and trials. And as you pray
for them, His Word will come forth!
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HOW the APOSTLES DIED

HOW the APOSTLES DIED

-According to both tradition and church history...
_1_ Matthew
Suffered martyrdom in Ethiopia , killed by a sword wound.
_2_ Mark
Died in Alexandria , Egypt , after being dragged by horses through the
streets until he was dead.
_3_ Luke
Was hanged in Greece as a result of his tremendous preaching to the lost.
_4_ John
Faced martyrdom when he was boiled in huge basin of boiling oil during
a wave of persecution in Rome. However, he was
miraculously delivered from death. John was then sentenced to the mines
on the prison island of Patmos. He wrote his prophetic
Book of Revelation on Patmos . The apostle John was later freed and
returned to serve as Bishop of Edessa in modern Turkey. He died as an
old man, the only apostle to die peacefully.
_5_ Peter
He was crucified upside down on an x-shaped cross. According to church
tradition it was because he told his tormentors that he
felt unworthy to die in the same way that Jesus Christ had died.
_6_ James the Just
The leader of the church in Jerusalem, was thrown over a hundred feet
down from the southeast pinnacle of the Temple
when he refused to deny his faith in Christ. When they discovered that
he survived the fall, his enemies beat James to death with a fuller's club.
This
was the same pinnacle where Satan had taken Jesus during the Temptation.*
_7_ James the Great
Son of Zebedee, was a fisherman by trade when Jesus called him to a
lifetime of ministry. As a strong leader
of the church, James was ultimately beheaded at Jerusalem . The Roman
officer who guarded James watched amazed as James defended his faith at
his trial. Later, the officer walked beside James to the place of
execution. Overcome by conviction, he declared his new faith to the
judge and knelt beside James to accept beheading as a Christian.
_8_ Bartholomew
Also known as Nathaniel, was a missionary to Asia. He witnessed for our
Lord in present day Turkey. Bartholomew was martyred for his preaching
in Armenia where he was flayed to death by a whip.
_9_ Andrew
Was crucified on an x-shaped cross in Patras , Greece. After being
whipped severely by seven soldiers they tied his body to
the cross with cords to prolong his agony. His followers reported that,
when he was led toward the cross, Andrew saluted it in these
words: 'I have long desired and expected this happy hour. The cross has
been consecrated by the body of Christ hanging on it.' He continued to
preach to his tormentors for two days until he expired.
_10_ Thomas
Was stabbed with a spear in India during one of his missionary trips to
establish the church in the sub-continent.
_11_ Jude
Was killed with arrows when he refused to deny his faith in Christ.
_12_ Matthias
The apostle chosen to replace the traitor Judas Iscariot, was stoned
and then beheaded.
_13_ Paul
Was tortured and then beheaded by the evil Emperor Nero at Rome in A.D.
67. Paul endured a lengthy imprisonment, which
allowed him to write his many epistles to the churches he had formed
throughout the Roman Empire. These letters, which taught many
of the foundational doctrines of Christianity, form a large portion of
the New Testament.
Perhaps this is a reminder to us that our sufferings here are indeed
minor compared to the intense persecution and cold cruelty faced by the
apostles/disciples during their times for the sake of the Faith. "And ye
shall be hated of all men for my name's sake:"
"But he that endureth to the end shall be saved." - Matthew 10:22.
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Friday, February 3, 2012

Luis Carrizal & Maria Luisa's Birth Statistics

Updated on June 28, 2012

(Sorry for the confusion. I am still trying to get accurate information from Kathy on the correct names of our ancestors)

LUIS V. (Bargas/Vargas) CARRIZAL - June 21, 1890- October 5, 1981
Luis V. Carrizal was born in San Luis Potosi Mexico.  

Luis Carrizal's father was Jose Nieves Carrizal and his mother was Dionicia de los Dolores Vargas (aka Ma. del los Dolores Vargas). Her parents were: Hilario Vargas and Petra Gaitan.

Jose's Nieves Carrisal's parents were: Cruz Carrisal and Ma. Esiquia Pesina.
  
(His gravestone gives 1889 as year he was born, and he registered for the Selective Service on Sept 12, 1918 giving the birthday of June 22, 1888)


MARIA LUISA RODRIGUEZ CARRIZAL - June 21, 1894 - February 16, 1962
Maria Luisa was born on June 21, 1894, in San Luis Potosi Mexico.  Her father's name was Guadalupe Rodriguez, mother's name was Mercedes Gamez Rodriguez.

Inoformation from Kathy Fry


Tuesday, July 12, 2011

Prime Minister Julia Gillard Makes it Clear to Terrorists Again


AMAZING  You must read it !!!!
She's done it again..

She sure isn't backing down on her hard line stance and one has to appreciate her belief in the rights of her native countrymen..

A breath of fresh air to see someone lead. I wish some leaders would step up in  CanadSA .
 Australian Prime Minister does  it again!!

This woman  should be appointed Queen of the World.. Truer words have  never been spoken.
It took a lot of courage for this woman to speak what she had to say for the world to hear.  The retribution could be phenomenal, but at least she was willing to take a stand on her and Australia's beliefs.

The whole  world  needs a leader like  this!
Prime Minister Julia Gillard - Australia 

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia , as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
Separately, Gillard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying she supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.  Quote:
 
'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT.  Take It Or Leave It.  I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture.  Since the terrorist attacks on Bali , we have experienced a surge  in patriotism by the majority of Australians.'

'This culture has been developed over two  centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom' 

'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of  our society.  Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented.  It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.'

'This is OUR  COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take  advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE  RIGHT TO LEAVE'.

'If you  aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to  come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves in Canada & USA , we will find the courage to start speaking and voicing  the same truths.
 
If you agree please copy and SEND THIS ON and ON, to as many people as you know. .